About Tommy

My name is Tommy and I have been eating quite “hard core” LCHF since September 2009 and this is my story.

In August 2009 I was googling for a new recipe for sauce béarnaise and found an interview with Sten Sture Skaldeman where he told a story about him trying eat himself to death with all food he liked and was told to stay away from. Sten Sture was surprised to see his weight go down and after a year or so he had lost a lot by eating less carbs and more fat.

I have always been the largest (well, fattest) kid on the block but I have never really suffered from it. I have never been bullied nor had any physical problems with my back, knees or anything else. So I have never really tried too loose weight before. When Sten Sture told his story I got interested. Entrecôte and sauce béarnaise was two of my favourite things when it comes to food so I felt like trying this weird “diet”.

Early September I got on a scale only to be surprised by my weight. I was thinking I would be around 150kg but the scale showed 174.4kg (384,5 lb). Almost 25kg (55 lb) more than I expected. So I decided to set a goal to loose the 25kg (55lb) and go down to 150kg (330 lb).

The first week I lost 3,1kg (6,8 lb), the second I lost another 1,9kg (4,2 lb). So in two weeks I managed to loose 5kg (11 lb). During these weeks my food was based on beef, chicken, pork, butter, mushrooms, asparagus, spinach, cheese, cream and all other good things in life… This really was something for me.

In January 2010 I met my first goal by weighting in at 149,4kg (328 lb). I had also lost 9cm around my “waist”.

After another 5 months I had lost in total 40kg (88 lb) and at this time a started to exercise a bit by walking around town listening to audiobooks. Not power walking, only “just walking around”.

When I got on the scale for the last time in 2010 I was below 100kg (220 lb ). I could not imagine myself being “a 2 digit guy” (in kilos) but I managed to get there.

In June 2011 I was at 87kg (191 lb). I have now lost slightly more than 50% of my starting weight. Pretty cool…

Today I am ”stabilizing” between 84kg to 86kg (185-190 lb).

As stated earlier I started “living” by the LCHF-codex in September 2009. In the beginning I was focusing in on lowering the carbs but not that much on eating more fat. I ate a lot of meat, fish, chicken, cheese and cream. Together with this I ate vegetables like broccoli, spinach and asparagus. After a month or two I started making my own mayonnaise and several different versions of seasoned butter. So from eating around 20g of carbs a day I was now down to an average over the week at 2-5g per day. I have really not left this level of carbs even thou some days can be as “high” as 15-20g but with most of the days close to 0 the average is quite low.

Today I only eat once a day, around 6 pm. No breakfast nor lunch. I eat 300-400g of meat, chicken or fish with 75-100g of butter or mayonnaise. On this I am ok for 24 hours. I do not know why, but it really works for me (I have an office job with not much physical activity other than going to the coffee machine or getting the mail.

My basic philosophy has always been not to feel like I am doing this because I have to. I have never wanted to feel “stressed” about the scale or the fulfilling of my goals. If I were to “starve” myself of feel like I was to sacrifice my interest for food I would not have felt good about it and I would probably have failed on the “mental” level. I have always felt sorry for people on low calorie diets only allowed to eat carrots and salads. With this “diet” I can eat almost everything I always loved and I can skip the things that is only there to “cheapen” the plate. Rice and pasta is only (very loosely translated from Swedish) “Stomach filling”. The good things are the meat and the Souse Béarnaise, not the potatoes…

 

 

Best regards,

Tommy

84 Responses to About Tommy

  1. Becky Winn says:

    Tommy, when I met you on the Low Carb Cruise, I would never have guessed you had ever been so big. You look as healthy and fit and someone who has always been trim. You have accomplished an amazing feat! Good work!

    • Tommy says:

      Thank you. To be honest I am starting to wonder if it really is me on the old pictures… Half a year ago I did not recognize the new me but now its the other way around… Kind of…

      /Tommy

  2. Elwin Ransom says:

    Hi Tommy!
    I just heard about you over at Kent’s site, so I dropped by and all I can say is, “WOW!”.
    You have got an amazing life story to tell, and all I can say is Bravo, sir – and congratulations !
    I’m 8 days into induction on Atkins, and with you and Kent as inspiration, I now know that I can do this.
    Thanks!

    • Tommy says:

      Thank you!

      Kent’s movies are really great. I will hopefully start putting up step by step “stills” and recepies when my workload slows dow a bit.

      Good luck with you with the new lifestyle!

      /Tommy

  3. Hi Tommy,
    I, too, met you on the cruise, and like Becky said, I never would’ve guessed that you’ve lost that much weight! Truly inspirational!!! I love how you’re writing more about the how-to than the why of an LCHF lifestyle. We really need more of that! Keep up the good work!

    Nickie in Colorado

    • Tommy says:

      Hi, thanks!

      Yes, I feel like the practical parts sometimes gets in the shadows of the science.

      /Tommy

  4. Michael says:

    Great website. Congratulations on your success.

  5. jorge says:

    Great webite Tommy!
    I found this site on Livinlavidalowcarb and all I can say i’m HAPPY i did! The recipies and photos are awesome! Very good use of dairy, meats, fish, fowl and low carb vegies.
    keep up the good work!

    Jorge in N.California

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  8. Sarah says:

    Hej Tommy,

    Vilken fin blogg och vilka resultat, härligt! Jag undrar varför du äter ett mål om dagen nu? Och har dina måltider blivit mindre?

    Mvh

    • Tommy says:

      Tack,

      Jag äter i princip en gång om dagen även om jag nu på sista tiden börjat drick LCHF-kaffe till frukost under mina experiment med ketoner. Anledningen till att jag bara äter en gång om dagen är att jag normalt inte är hungring på morgon eller lunch. De gånger jag äter lunch så är det nästan alltid socialt betingat. Dvs lunch med jobbet eller annat. På “egen tid” äter jag alltså i princip aldrig lunch.

      (du vet att detta är min Engelska sida och att jag finns på Svenska på http://www.tommytappar.se?)

      /Tommy

  9. Sasha says:

    wow best of luck …

  10. Paleo Suz says:

    What a fantastic story Tommy! You look so much younger and happier in the “after” photo. You haven’t mentioned energy, but I assume you have a lot more energy now too?

    Your diet is pretty similar to mine actually, though I generally skip dairy. What do you think of paleo/ a primal diet; would your diet fall into one of those plans? You seem to eat only real/ whole foods?

    • Tommy says:

      Thanks,

      Well in Sweden we call the “diet” LCHF. Low Carb High Fat and it could maybe be called pale or primal since there are similarities. I eat far less nuts than the “ordinary” paleo and I am not that fuzzy about the “political” thougts that I see on some paleo sites. I know this is not the typical pale, but I do see these kind of sites where people get bashed for eating thing “thats wasn’t around 20 000 years ago…”.

      But I do prefer real natural food so if that makes me primal or paleo I have no problem with it. I only buy very few “pre made” things. Some sousages and my weak spot; pre made béarnaise sauce…

      I also think that paleo and primals eat far to less fat like butter… :-)

      /Tommy

  11. Barbara Hvilivitzky says:

    Hi Tommy from Canada. Just found your site and have really enjoyed reading about your weight loss. Most of all I’ve enjoyed your pictures and especially that you have been able to eat the same food day after day. I can do that too. Once I find foods I like I eat them over and over. Why change a good thing. Your message has great value for many people. Keep up the good work.

    • Tommy says:

      Thanks!

      Yes I have no problem eating the same I do try to get some variation with similar ingredients. Most for the fun of it… :-)

      /Tommy

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  14. Ethan says:

    Hey tommy,

    Your blog is amazing. When i see your before/after picture i feel motivated. LCHF is a good way to loose weight. You just have to keep the carb intake low.

    I need to loose around 25 pounds and I am on my day 1 of this diet. Wish me luck.

    Ethan

    • Tommy says:

      Do not forgett the HF (High Fat) part. If you only cut the carbs you might get to little energy and you will feel tired…

      Good luck!

      /Tommy

  15. Puma says:

    Thank you for your fine blog. I also eat LCHF and have for almost 10 years. I was actually raised on LCHF before “adopting a healthy lifestyle” in my 20s and 30s, becoming weak and ill, then returning with new-found wisdom to an animal-based LCHF diet. My story is a fairly common one.

    I’m delighted (but not surprised) that you have been able to gain health and well-being, and so pleased that you maintain this blog for others to share!

    ~Puma

    • Tommy says:

      Thank you! Nice to hear from someone who have been on LCHF for so long! I am only starting my fourth year…

      /Tommy

  16. Melody says:

    Hi Tommy,

    I find your site and posts to be really inspiring and am grateful that you are willing to share your journey.According to the medical guys I am “morbidly obese” and need to take action. After six weeks on LCHF I lost 5kg’s and it seem to be stuck there? You speak of drinking LCHF coffee. What is that?

    Melody

    • Tommy says:

      The LCHF-Coffee is a cup of coffee with butter and coconut oil mexed together. This is a good way to get the fat up a bit whiteout “having” to eat more proteins.

      I use 1 dl of coffee, 1 tablespoon butter and 1 tablespoon coconut oil. Then I mix and drink.

      /Tommy

  17. Marion says:

    Hi Tommy, great weightloss! I’m still a little worried to go against 40 years of conditioning by introducing so much saturated fat into my diet. I get the science but just feel a little uneasy… Did your medical stats like blood pressure improve as well?

    Thanks for any reply, Marion

    • Tommy says:

      I have not measured my blood preasure more then once the last 20 years and that was this spring. It was perfect.

      I have measures the cholesterol once a year since I started eating LCHF and these numbers are also perfect.

      So I am not worried at all…

      /Tommy

  18. Shema Khan says:

    Hi, Tommy
    Your story is just inspirational, I’m glad I’m changing my lifestyle and not thinking of a shortcut (Crash diets or pills) I live in Canada moved to canada in 2008 from India, I have started this diet after seeing 2 of my friends loosing 20 lb in less than 2 months. From last 2 years I have gained 27 lbs which make me thinking “what’s wrong with me” I’m 28 Wtg. 168lbs Ht 5.7in, I was having Salad’s and eating right with all the low fat products and excercising 4 days a week; was really worried that is it my diet or my marrige..lol, after moving in with my husband I also started eating 0 calories, low fat diet as my husbands buys everything which has a “LOW FAT” label. Wasn’t sure if it’s that or my ON and OFF excercising habits. Now, I have realized what went wrong in these 2 years..:) I’m glad I found about LCHF and this is my 22nd day and I think I have lost 4 pounds with literally no excersing. I’m planning to start my excercise routine? Can you give me some tips?
    Thank you,
    Shema

    • Tommy says:

      Hi, Nice to see you have found my blog and LCHF.

      When it comes to exercise I do not do anything special. I walk around a lot with an audio-book in the iPod/iPhone.

      I am thinking about taking up some kind of functional training in the future. I am not the kind of guy who goes to a gym so I will have to find something I can do at home…

      /Tommy

  19. les henderson says:

    tommy reading your story it reminds me of myself
    your body share in the before picture was me
    14kilos in 3 months i was doing it hard core like yourself but now adding fried mushrooms,broccoli and cauliflower in cheese sauce,and other vegetables

    a big well done…..les

  20. Patrick Niemann says:

    Good Day Tommy i am incredibly inspired by your results you have had as i am pretty much in the same position as you were all those years back. I am 160kg and really looking to loose weight and become healthier. I am really struggling to wrap my head around the LCHF concept but i do know that there have been some incredible results. I suppose my first problem is where to start and what foods are good and which arent so good. My second problem is how will all the fat effect my cholesterol and what effect the calories will have on my weight loss and what is the optimum amount of protein to fat i must eat ? I would also like to know how it is that you work out the amount of nutrition you have in a day based on what you eat ? I would really appreciate any help or advice from you as i am from South Africa and unfortunately there is very little advice or information about the LCHF diet. Even if you could help stear me to any on line sites i might look up. Thank you and i look forward to hearing from you.

  21. Tommy says:

    Thanks!

    The very simple basics to get started is to eat like me… :-) Meat, butter and limited veggies… :-)

    Do not eat “light” and processed food and stay away from “underground veggies”. Eat broccoli, spinach, asparagus. Not fruits nor “sweeter” veggies like sweet paprika etc.

    I would strongly recommend this site:

    http://www.lifezone.se/eng/

    Its a good friend of mine who is born in South Africa and she is there right now (I think) to promote her really nice LCHF book… :-) So there are some LCHF coming your way right now.

    :-)

  22. Madison Layn says:

    Amazing!! It’s good to see that it works.
    To lose the half of my body weight is just a dream for me.
    Okay I’m on the straight way to it but you done it!

    Pretty cool!

  23. Pj says:

    Thank you for sharing. Our ‘SAD’ (Standard American Diet) needs an overhaul.
    One person at a time is the best way it will happen.
    Sites like yours…real people food…real programs that work…are key to the change.
    I like the IF (Intermittent Fasting) paragraph “I eat once a day.” snuggled in your paragraphs.
    Thank you for sharing/giving the world a good look at success!!!! (….everyday!)

  24. smiley says:

    Hi Tommy, Congratulations on your weight loss, you look fabulous!!! I came across your website while googling LCHF information. I started on this road 5 days ago after reading about a study that has been done by a professor at Auckland University, New Zealand. I have always felt like I struggled with my weight to laterly gaining 15 kgs in the past 3 years through comfort eating…….fueled by sugar/carbs. I can’t believe that from day one I haven’t had one craving for sugar!!! and I am not eating as much either. I just can’t believe that I am not craving anything!!!! Sorry, I know I said that twice but this feeling is unlike anything I have experienced before. I am doing this hopefully for health reasons too so plan on making this my future pathway. Anyway, I look forward to following your blog etc and reading any advice you offer. Cheers Smiley

  25. Deborah B says:

    Hello Again Tommy,

    I showed this page with my niece and she was so inspired by your story she’s going to start lchf! I’m excited for her. I wanted your opinion on something. My weight loss is about .5 lb to .9 lb a week roughly. My total calories are 1600/1700 calories. Do you think I would lose more if I lowered my calories? I know the diet is not about counting, but I wanted to know your thoughts on that. My diet is 75% 20% 5%. I’m 5’5″ and 240 lbs currently. Thanks so much for your input!

    Deborah B

    • Tommy says:

      To be honest I do not think you should lower the calories for the sake of lowering the calories… To go a way where you actually do not eat enough energy might make your body more conservative with burning energy and it could have a opposite result. I would suggest you try to lower the protein to 15% and increase the fat to 80% for a couple of weeks but still eat roughly the same amount. Sometimes the total calories will get down a bit on an even higher fat %.

      With that wait I would say a weight loss trend is good and as long as the trend is down its better than flat or up… :-)

      /Tommy

  26. Deborah B says:

    Is one pound a week a slow loss? I’m losing .5 to 1 lb a week. At this rate it will take almost two years to reach my goal weight. I was hoping to speed things along. What are you thoughts? Thank you again for your replies. It helps me on this weight loss journey.

    Deborah :)

  27. Jackie says:

    Hi. Tommy and well done you! I have been eating this way now for about seven weeks, lost weight, my IBS is better. But only one meal a day is amazing, I am very busy most days and have just eaten my third meal of the day, I admit that it was probably too big, but very tasty, duck breast, bacon, avocado and spinach cooked in coconut oil. I get confused with the dairy, I hear, don’t drink milk but have cream, but I love a cup of hot milky coffee… I am very happy eating this way and I do swim twice a week. I believe that this is the way forward, it all makes so much sense to me. Thanks for being there. :)

    • Tommy says:

      Thank you!

      Grats on the weight loss and the other health benefits.

      The “one meal a day” is not something that I think everyone should do. I t works for me since I am not hungry more often. If I am hungry I eat so some times it is more meals a day but not very often.

      If the dairy works for you eat/drink it. I do recommend to be restrictive wit dairy if on a plateau or to get “things started”. And off course, the fatter the better… :-)

      /Tommy

  28. Deborah B says:

    Tommy,

    I keep returning to your site when I have a question. I hope that is okay? I’ve upped my fat, and I noticed my calories at running into the 2000’s, but my carbs are still 25 or under. Is the fact that my calories are hitting 2000 going to affect my weight loss? I am not counting calories, but should I try to keep my calories between 1500-1800?
    Thanks for your input, its much appreciated.

    Deborah B.

    • Tommy says:

      I would say it’s no problem running into 2000. as long as the “extra” calories are from fat and not carbs nor proteins. I would however after some time try to push the carbs down even further. Start by trying to get to 15g and see what happens.

      /Tommy

  29. Melinda says:

    What an amazing story! I love your pictures and how the food looks so simple yet seems like it would be super tasty :) I am preparing to start my journey on LCHF and thank you for your inspiration.

  30. Pat Morrill says:

    This is a new year and I want to loose at least 120 pounds. I listened for the first time about LCHF and will start today with the information I now have. You are an inspiration with your weight loss and have motivated me to action.

  31. Denise says:

    Hi Tommy i read your story and feel so motivated,i started eating less carbs about 2 months ago and really felt and slept so much better but the weight loss didnt happen so i became a bit despondent and gave up,i ate eggs, meat,fish,yogurt,biltong nd mostly green salads also nuts as a snack in between,Where did i go wrong?want to start again after reading your story..thks for the inspiration

    • Tommy says:

      I would try to skip the yogurt and try to minimize the nuts depending on what sorts of nuts you are eating.

      From what you write above I would also say you might eat to little fat.

      /Tommy

      • Denise says:

        Thks for advice i went to a health store and got some coconut oil and some cream cheese will add those to my meals and see how things go

        Regards
        Denise

        • Tommy says:

          np, please report back and let us know how it turns out for you.

          /Tommy

          • Denise says:

            Hi Tommy i forgot to mention.. the nuts i eat is raw almonds,macadamians and walnuts

            Then i just need to know the lchf coffee that you mentioned.. do you use milk as well? or only butter and coconut oil

  32. Camilla says:

    I am so glad I’ve found your website. I’ve recently been advised to start following a ketogenic diet and I’ve been quite unsure as to how to get enough fat in my diet. Cutting carbs hasn’t been too hard….
    Thanks again

    • Tommy says:

      Hi and welcome here!

      Yes, getting the fat up is hard sometimes. With mayo and butter it’s easier than cream and cheese.

      /Tommy

  33. Deborah B says:

    Hello Tommy,

    Love your site, and thanks for your previous replies to my questions. I hit a 3 month plateau despite following diet 100%, so I started intermittent fasting and I started losing weight again. I had my blood drawn six months ago, and then last week. My numbers have gone up instead of down. Is this normal? CHOL went 243 to 257, LDL-C 169 to 181, NonHDL 191.60 to 208.90. I’m really concerned.I don’t eat fish at all. Fats I consume, are cream, butter, coconut oil, bacon. What are your thoughts?

    Thanks Deborah

    • Tommy says:

      Yes, sometimes the cholesterol is going up a bit but normally the relation between the ldl and hdl is getting “better”.

      I would try to cut down on the cream. Milk proteins are sometimes messing with the ketones so try loosing them for a couple of weeks to see what happens.

      /Tommy

  34. Robin says:

    Hi Tommy,

    I was recommended to your blog/ site by another Low carb site and I have to say..your food looks AMAZING!!! I’m starting a 2nd round of low carb, 10 years after the first.
    I didn’t actually read “About Tommy” before I started looking at all your food (I’m usually much smarter than that :-), so I ended up googling the Skaldeman term you were using in your intake counts.. and found the Author and book you referred to.. after reading a few pages as a sample. I had to buy it.. I’m looking forward to reading it and coming back to your site to get another look at your beautiful food and you have already reminded me of, and given me great ideas of things I love (Garlic Mayo.. OHHHHH YEAH!!) and those butters just look AMAZING!!

    I hope you are doing well and keep up the posting. I’m enjoying your posts so very much.

    Have a great day.

    Robin

  35. Susan Allen says:

    Hi Tommy,
    Thanks for writing down your experiences on LCHF. It’s interesting that you only eat dinner. Two weeks ago I tried LCHF (cream and cheese included), and gained weight. Then just a few days ago, I decided to try again, but with some modifications. I eliminated cream and cheese, but continued using butter. This change produced the change I was looking for. I lost over two pounds in two days. I wish I could eat cream and cheese though because it makes LCHF more palatable. I read that grain fed cheese and cream is fattening, but grass fed organic cheeses and creams grass are not. Do you know if this is true?

    • Tommy says:

      Thanks!

      I have never read anything about cream from grain fed cows should be more fattening than grass fed. The difference is that the fat is “better” from the grass fed since it contains more omega 3. But I would say it makes no difference regarding fattening or not…

      /Tommy

  36. Aven says:

    Hi, Tommy, great story.
    Thanks for posting your recipes.
    I’m also hooked on the benefits of the LCHF lifestyle.
    What is your height and BMI?
    Do you feel that you have achieved your ideal body mass and fitness level?
    Regards
    Aven

    • Tommy says:

      I am at 180cm and my weight is around 86kg right now. So according to the tables I am still overweight. I know however that 3-5kg is “skinn” so I am not “worried” about the “high” BMI… :-)

      /Tommy

  37. shelly says:

    Hi

    I would like to inbox your privately
    Please can you send me your direct email address

  38. Deborah B says:

    Tommy,

    Do you have any experience with intermittent fasting? And I wanted to know would my body go into storage mode if I decided instead of having two meals in a day, that I would have one large meal with lots of fat- would my body store it? I am intermittent fasting. I stop losing weight doing low carb, high fat for three months. Then started IF and I’ve lost 11 lbs plus the other 11 I lost on lchf. On my feast day I do lchf. So the above question is for when I have a feast day. Thanks so much for your input!!

    Best wishes,
    Deborah

    • Tommy says:

      Well, since I only eat once a day it could be considered intermittent fasting. I have not tried actively to eat more sparse but a couple of times almost 48 hours have paste between meals.

      The body will not go into storage mode by skipping one meal. A gap between meals of around 24 hours is ok. I eat like that almost every day…

      /Tommy

  39. Denise says:

    Hi Tommy,i just want to know should i only have organic products? as they are a lot more expensive than your normal products

    • Tommy says:

      I try to use organic products if available but to be honest I do not avoid “un-organic” products just because they are “un-organic”.

      And, yes, organic products are more expensive but I think it’s worth the extra cost sometimes.

      /Tommy

  40. kathy boxley says:

    hello tommy,im so happy for you finding health and for loosing half your body,that is awesome ,10 yrs ago I also lost a great deal of weight 134 pounds in 18 months with low calorie program counting points and attending meetings,since then I have gained almost all back I began lc 2 months ago then 3 weeks ago lchf,i feel so hopeful and energetic,i only eat when hungry 1 meal and 1 snack a day mostly,i have lost 20 pounds ,but what im really excited about is how I feel and how I don’t obsess about what I eat or have to count every bite,i love lchf….

  41. JimWilson says:

    Hello Tommy , a genuinely inspiring story/ I have read up on LCHF a couple of weeks ago down 14Ibs . I am pretty happy with my understanding of what and what not to eat, Portion size and calories however I am not so sure of .My weight is just North of 300pound so quite a road to go. I see you regularly post what you eat in what is now your maintenance/ normal diet. I would be most grateful if you could post a couple of examples of what you ate when losing weight.
    cheers
    JW

    • Tommy says:

      I ate almost the same as now but slightly more of it… Maybe more cheese and cream than the last week but mainly meat/chicken/fish and butter/mayo.

      /Tommy

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  43. Ernesto says:

    Hey Tommy!

    Just yesterday I read about LCHF, the how and why and it made a lot of sense to me. Then today I find your side and I am absolutely amazed! Especially by your accomplishment but also because I had no visual understanding of the ‘diet’ and what meals to eat. Your blog shows it all, perfectly. And that helps a lot!
    Eventho I have no weight problems, I find it really important to eat healthily. Thus I have been drinking fruit/veg shakes for lunch the past few months. But obviously that doesn’t feed you as much. Thanks to you I understand a lot more about eating healthily! So I am going to be drinking less shakes and just a good LCHF meal a day.

    Thanks and take care!

  44. Gwen says:

    Followed Cassie’s link to your blog today, and so glad I did! A huge congratulations to all you have accomplished! Rock on!

  45. Anne Lee-Gardella says:

    Found you thru some LCHF sites. Mainly the Low Carb Cruise. I started this journey with my son about 3 weeks ago and we are both down 14# already. Maybe next year I’ll try to do the cruise. Good luck on your journey. Thanks for the inspiration. ~Anne

  46. Jeanne says:

    Wahooo..Tommy! Congratulations man!
    I found you by googling LCHF recipes. Your story and journey is truly inspirational.
    I dont need to lose fat but wanted to know more in order to help my clients. I follow a lchf for nearly a year,as I am diabetes Type 1 for nearly 30 years and this is the one that works best for us.
    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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